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Norstead Place cattle trough – the end of the story

For those of you that remember there was a cattle trough at the intersection of Roehampton Lane an Norstead Place which The Putney Society (TPS) was trying to have locally listed. Sadly, during this process it disappeared. Well, it has recently been highlighted in a National Trust article kindly title ‘New water feature for humans and their four legged friends at Leith Hill Tower’.

The Roehampton mention is within the following text “The Drinking Fountain Association identified a fountain and trough suitable for use by both people and animals and arranged for it to be restored and transported from its previous location in Roehampton”.

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Cattle trough – EC1, intersection of Myddelton Street and Spencer Street

Sadly, another cattle trough has recently been sighted, this time in EC1 at the intersection of Myddelton Street and Spencer Street, and it too does not have potable water. Sometimes one gets the feeling that Roehampton is considered a soft target for those that require something as resistance or challenge is minimal?

Drinking Fountain Association please bring back the Norstead Place cattle trough!

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Questions to Council about the Medfield Street fountain and troughs

Related to the other various articles on the ward’s cattle troughs, the following has been asked of Wandsworth Borough Council  via a Freedom of Information request;

“There is a Grade II listed monument at the intersection of Roehampton Lane and Medfield Street in SW15 which contains both fountains and cattle troughs.

 Can Wandsworth Borough Council (WBC) please confirm the following;

  1. What, if any, responsibility has WBC with regards to this monument?
  2. Is it only WBC whom has any responsibility for the monument?
  3. If other individuals or organisations of any sort have any interest or responsibility in the monument then please list whom they are and what their interests and responsibilities are?
  4. Within the past three years has any individual or group, such as the Drinking Fountain Association or Wandsworth Council, been in touch with WBC regarding this monument?
  5. If the answer to question 4 is yes, then can it be detailed when this contact took place and what was purpose of the contact?
  6. Please detail what the maintenance of the monument should be?”

The Council has responded to the above question, and the Drinking Fountain Association has been in touch with them about the monument. Have a read of the questions at the whatdotheyknow website by clicking on this sentence.

The Freedom of Information request number for this query is 2017/14364.

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Questions to TfL about the Medfield Street fountain and troughs

Related to the other various articles on the ward’s cattle troughs, the following has been asked of TfL via a Freedom of Information request;

“There is a Grade II listed monument at the intersection of Roehampton Lane and Medfield Street in SW15 which contains both fountains and cattle troughs.

 Can TfL please confirm the following;

  1. What, if any, responsibility TfL has with regards to this monument?
  2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, then what are these responsibilities?
  3. Within the past three years has any individual or group, such as the Drinking Fountain Association or Wandsworth Council, been in rock with TfL regarding this monument?
  4. If the answer to question 3 is yes, then can it be detailed when this contact took place and what was purpose of the contact?”

And TfL has kindly responded to the above queries. What do you think the answers are? Click on this paragraph to have a read of the answers.

The TfL reference for this query is 2140-1617.

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London Wall cattle trough

To highlight another example of a cattle trough which perhaps could have qualified for being removed by the Drinking Fountain Association rather than the Norstead Place cattle trough, perhaps this trough at London Wall could have been snaffled up. There does not appear to be any ‘potable water’ at this trough?

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TfL answers questions about the missing trough

On the 28th October 2016 the following questions were put to TfL regarding the missing cattle trough on Norstead Place.

“Recently a cattle trough which had been residing in the same spot since 1896 in Norstead Place SW15 was recently removed. Wandsworth Borough Council has stated that the land on which the cattle trough was located belongs to the TFL.

 With regards to this cattle trough can the following questions please be provided.

  1. Whom has taken the cattle trough?
  2. What was the reason for removing the cattle trough?
  3. When did discussions regarding starting to remove the cattle trough begin?
  4. When did discussions with Wandsworth Borough Council (WBC) begin regarding the removal of the cattle trough?
  5. The discussions with WBC, what did these entail? For instance, did WBC wish to keep the trough in its current location or was it in favour of having the trough removed?
  6. Did TFL inform WBC that the trough was being removed?
  7. If the answer to question 6 is yes, please state on what date this was communicated with WBC?
  8. Can TfL please provide details of the person/group whom it liaised with whom now has possession of the cattle trough so that local amenity groups could contact this person/group regarding the removal of the cattle trough?

The answer to question 4, in particular, highlights that the Drinking Fountain Association had been in touch with the Council whom wrote to TfL about the Association’s intentions on 31st July 2015. How was this prior knowledge not communicated and not reported at the Roehampton Partnership or the Roehampton Forum? Or with the Putney Society?

The answers can be found by clicking on this sentence.

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Council answers more questions about the missing trough

On the 20th November 2016 the following questions were put to Wandsworth Council regarding the missing cattle trough on Norstead Place.

“This is a follow up to Freedom of Request 2016/13735.

 A letter (dated 4 November 2016) has been sighted which is from the Drinking Fountain Association. this letter states the following – “We did write to the Chief Executive of Wandsworth Council in June last year asking whether the Council had any intention to restore the trough and asking for their view of if it would be used in its present location. The Council replied saying it was no longer under their jurisdiction and was now under the control of Transport for London who agreed to its removal”.

 As a result of this letter the following questions/asks are raised:

  1. Please provide a copy of the letter which the Drinking Fountain Association sent to the Chief Executive of Wandsworth Council in June last year.
  2. Please provide a copy of the response which the Council provided to the Drinking Fountain Association.
  3. When did the Council hand control of the cattle trough to Transport for London?
  4. Please provide the documentation which ceded control of the cattle trough to Transport for London.”

You might be surprised, as there has been some noise about this cattle trough well before the Putney Society sought local listing.

The answers (along with correspondence) can be found by clicking on this sentence.

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Richmond Park’s Roehampton Gate cattle trough

On the other side of the Alton Estate, just outside of it though within Richmond Park is another cattle trough. Have you ever noticed it?

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The ‘Metropolitan Drinking Fountain and Cattle Trough Association’ has this mentioned on its website though the photo is slightly out of date. Have a look and see if you can spot the difference.

Also on the website, there are photos of the various troughs in Wandsworth and Richmond which have the troughs full of vegetation.

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University’s portacabin planning application heats up

It’s a new year and the University’s portacabin planning application rolls on.

At the Council’s Wandsworth (Conservation Area) Advisory Committee on 10th January the paper Number 17-19 has highlighted that it has put objections into the following Roehampton & Putney Heath ward planning applications (click on the below to take you to Paper Number 17-19):

Item 6: 2016/6070 & 2016/6078: Templeton, 118 Priory Lane, SW15

Item 8: 2016/5912: Parkstead House, Whitelands College, Holybourne Avenue, SW15

With regards to Item 8, it is uncertain when the one year extension is recommended from. For instance, from the time this retrospective planning application was first noticed as being required, or when it was first lodged as part of the first attempt (2016/1365) which was 15th March 2016 (yes, almost nine months ago).

Also, the drinking fountain on Norstead Place which was removed is also discussed in this paper as the second item under ‘Any other business’.

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Medfield Street fountains – correspondence with Historic England and the Council

 

Both Historic England and Wandsworth Borough Council have now been approached regarding the state of the Medfield Street fountains. The email correspondence is below.

From: Sf
To: ghumphries@wandsworth.gov.uk
Cc: Rachel Young <rachel.young@historicengland.org.uk>; London@historicengland.org.uk; John Horrocks
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:56 PM
Subject: State of Grade II listed drinking fountainDear Mr Humphries,By way if an introduction I am a resident of the Alton Estate and after the plight of the cattle trough in Norstead Place I decided to have a look at the state of the fountains at the intersection of Medfield Street and Roehampton Lane.It was not a very well looked after state and and as such alerted Historic England whom have pointed me in your direction.

Can the fountain please be cleaned and the details of the maintenance please be shared.

Regards,

Steve Fannon

Alton Estate Resident

From: “Young, Rachel” <Rachel.Young@HistoricEngland.org.uk>
Date: 17 November 2016 at 17:02:21 GMT
To: SF
Cc: Historic England London <London@historicengland.org.uk>
Subject: RE: State of Grade II listed drinking fountainDear Mr Fannon,Thank you for your email.The upkeep of a listed structure or building is down to the owner and they have a legal obligation to keep it in a good state of repair.  I would imagine in this case the owner is the London Borough of Wandsworth.  I would therefore advise that you direct your email to the Conservation Officer there who may be able to speak to the relevant department and encourage repairs to be made.

Kind regards

Rachel

Rachel Young | Business Officer

Direct Line: 020 7973 3727

Email:  rachel.young@historicengland.org.uk

1 Waterhouse Square | 138-142 Holborn

London | EC1N 2ST

From: SF
Sent: 13 November 2016 12:04
To: Historic England Customers
Subject: State of Grade II listed drinking fountainDear Historic England,You might be interested in the following article regarding the poor state of a Grade II drinking fountain in Roehampton. The referred to blog article below highlights this poor state.https://roeregeneration.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/state-of-the-medfield-street-troughs-and-fountain/

Regards,

Steve Fannon
Roehampton resident

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